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Re: Sherlock Holmes Short Stories Read Along!

Posted: Mon 29 May, 2023, 9:19 pm
by Bee
thiskurt wrote:
Mon 29 May, 2023, 8:12 pm
Bee wrote:
Mon 29 May, 2023, 8:00 pm
thiskurt wrote:
Mon 29 May, 2023, 7:45 pm
I'm terribly confused...
I apologize for my ineptitude 😭
Don't be! Just not sure what we're reading and for when now.
Here's what we're discussing right now: https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_St ... nt_Patient

If you want time to catch up on previous stories, we can wait, too! 💛

Re: Sherlock Holmes Short Stories Read Along!

Posted: Fri 09 Jun, 2023, 3:02 pm
by Bee
So do you guys want to wait another week before we move on to the next story? It's The Adventure of the Greek Interpreter!

Wikisource seems to only have the one copy this time. 😅

Re: Sherlock Holmes Short Stories Read Along!

Posted: Fri 09 Jun, 2023, 6:23 pm
by InspectorCaracal
Bee wrote:
Fri 09 Jun, 2023, 3:02 pm
So do you guys want to wait another week before we move on to the next story? It's The Adventure of the Greek Interpreter!

Wikisource seems to only have the one copy this time. 😅
sounds good to me! I think we kinda lost Kurt tho

@thiskurt you can just pick up here if catching up is daunting, Holmes stories don't really have continuity to worry about missing

Re: Sherlock Holmes Short Stories Read Along!

Posted: Sun 11 Jun, 2023, 3:52 pm
by thiskurt
InspectorCaracal wrote:
Fri 09 Jun, 2023, 6:23 pm
Bee wrote:
Fri 09 Jun, 2023, 3:02 pm
So do you guys want to wait another week before we move on to the next story? It's The Adventure of the Greek Interpreter!

Wikisource seems to only have the one copy this time. 😅
sounds good to me! I think we kinda lost Kurt tho

@thiskurt you can just pick up here if catching up is daunting, Holmes stories don't really have continuity to worry about missing
@InspectorCaracal I'm quite a lot behind, so I think that's best.

Re: Sherlock Holmes Short Stories Read Along!

Posted: Sun 11 Jun, 2023, 4:42 pm
by Bee
thiskurt wrote:
Sun 11 Jun, 2023, 3:52 pm
InspectorCaracal wrote:
Fri 09 Jun, 2023, 6:23 pm
Bee wrote:
Fri 09 Jun, 2023, 3:02 pm
So do you guys want to wait another week before we move on to the next story? It's The Adventure of the Greek Interpreter!

Wikisource seems to only have the one copy this time. 😅
sounds good to me! I think we kinda lost Kurt tho

@thiskurt you can just pick up here if catching up is daunting, Holmes stories don't really have continuity to worry about missing
@InspectorCaracal I'm quite a lot behind, so I think that's best.
So we're reading The Adventure of the Greek Interpreter this week and taking about on the weekend, right?

Re: Sherlock Holmes Short Stories Read Along!

Posted: Sun 11 Jun, 2023, 5:02 pm
by thiskurt
Bee wrote:
Sun 11 Jun, 2023, 4:42 pm
thiskurt wrote:
Sun 11 Jun, 2023, 3:52 pm
InspectorCaracal wrote:
Fri 09 Jun, 2023, 6:23 pm


sounds good to me! I think we kinda lost Kurt tho

@thiskurt you can just pick up here if catching up is daunting, Holmes stories don't really have continuity to worry about missing
@InspectorCaracal I'm quite a lot behind, so I think that's best.
So we're reading The Adventure of the Greek Interpreter this week and taking about on the weekend, right?
Yes, let's do it.

Re: Sherlock Holmes Short Stories Read Along!

Posted: Sun 11 Jun, 2023, 5:11 pm
by Bee
thiskurt wrote:
Sun 11 Jun, 2023, 5:02 pm
Bee wrote:
Sun 11 Jun, 2023, 4:42 pm
thiskurt wrote:
Sun 11 Jun, 2023, 3:52 pm


@InspectorCaracal I'm quite a lot behind, so I think that's best.
So we're reading The Adventure of the Greek Interpreter this week and taking about on the weekend, right?
Yes, let's do it.
blobcheer

Re: Sherlock Holmes Short Stories Read Along!

Posted: Thu 15 Jun, 2023, 8:55 pm
by Bee
I had completely forgotten about this! Bumping to remind everyone else as well

Re: Sherlock Holmes Short Stories Read Along!

Posted: Sun 18 Jun, 2023, 5:35 pm
by thiskurt
Aha, this story is the introduction Mycroft Holmes!
During my long and intimate acquaintance with Mr. Sherlock Holmes I had never heard him refer to his relations, and hardly ever to his own early life. This reticence upon his part had increased the somewhat inhuman effect which he produced upon me, until sometimes I found myself regarding him as an isolated phenomenon, a brain without a heart, as deficient in human sympathy as he was pre-eminent in intelligence. His aversion to women and his disinclination to form new friendships were both typical of his unemotional character, but not more so than his complete suppression of every reference to his own people.
I used to, and still do, think the 'Holmes is an emotionless robot dedicated only to deduction' reading of Holmes' character was a pretty lazy one and blatantly wrong, to the point where I wondered where everyone got this consensus from. Turns out they just got it from Watson. If Watson helmed a TV adaptation of his own accounts I probably would not enjoy it.

I had to laugh at Holmes laughing at the suggestion that it's his modesty that makes him consider Mycroft to have superior skills.
The Diogenes Club is the queerest club in London, and Mycroft one of the queerest men.
How nice.
my brother would be the greatest criminal agent that ever lived. But he has no ambition and no energy. He will not even go out of his way to verify his own solutions, and would rather be considered wrong than take the trouble to prove himself right.
You know the even better detective brother we've never heard of before may be a bit of a retcon, but I've always liked Mycroft.

Incidentally does anyone know 'Nero Wolfe'? He's an American detective written by Rex Stout who never does any fieldwork, but sits at his desk and has assistants do all the legwork. Anyway it's often speculated that the stories hint that he's supposed to be the son of Sherlock Holmes and Irene Adler, I don't think the writer ever claimed this himself and the theory always felt a big fanficy, anyway if anything Mycroft Holmes would be a better candidate for his father based on their characterizations.
His eyes, which were of a peculiarly light, watery gray, seemed to always retain that far-away, introspective look which I had only observed in Sherlock's when he was exerting his full powers.
Something about the way this is phrased really makes it feel like their skills are some sort of x-men superpower.

I love the sibling rivalry of Holmes and Holmes at the window analysing the two figures coming towards them. They do like showing off. Just imagine the three of them living together and Sherlock and Mycroft constantly trying to one-up each other to impress Watson.

I have no idea what the difference between a cab and a carriage is supposed to be in that era. Is it just the size maybe? Ok, looks like they were lighter, two-wheeled and capable of being pulled by a single horse and carriages were bigger, heavier, four-wheeled, err, carriages.

I don't have that much to say about the case itself, except that it is a lot more dramatic and action heavy than the other cases.

Re: Sherlock Holmes Short Stories Read Along!

Posted: Mon 19 Jun, 2023, 8:23 pm
by InspectorCaracal
Anyway it's often speculated that the stories hint that he's supposed to be the son of Sherlock Holmes and Irene Adler
UUUUUUUUUUUGGGGHHHHHHHHHH


I remembered really liking this story, although I couldn't remember much of anything about it - one of the Sheldon Reynolds Holmes episodes is based on it, though, so I had at least that minor refresher of sorts going in.

Anyway. Rereading it now, I realized this is an extremely perfect example of the Unreliable Narrator angle of the Holmes stories that so often gets overlooked. See, *gestures at Kurt's comment* that's how Watson always describes Holmes, starting way back with A Scandal in Bohemia. Cold, rational, more machine than human. But then you look at what Holmes does and it's like. He's discussing his abilities as art??? Like! Seriously!

(Also, a personal pet peeve, HOLMES DOES SO KNOW ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE WEIRDLY USELESS:
It was after tea on a summer evening, and the conversation, which had roamed in a desultory, spasmodic fashion from golf clubs to the causes of the change in the obliquity of the ecliptic, came round at last to the question of atavism and hereditary aptitudes
SEE, those are TOTALLY not related to crime fighting cmon)

Also, the mention of the Diogenes Club as being strangely named is what led me (in the past) to look up Diogenes so I would get the joke, and it is a pretty good joke actually lol Diogenes was a real character

I really like the subterfuge of this story - it's the most like Violet Hunter in the Copper Beeches, I think? where the client isn't just "this is perplexing and terrible please help me" but actually goes to some great length to figure out what's going on themselves.

I'd also forgotten, this is one of those cases where they never catch the perpetrators, they flee in the night and it sort of resolves itself i guess? There really is a surprising number of those.