Re: Sherlock Holmes Short Stories Read Along!
Posted: Sat 25 Mar, 2023, 1:18 am
okay okay I got a bunch written today I'll do the thing after dinner
Wait a minute, is that the famous Sherlock Holmes hat people always say he never wears in the stories only in the movies?And so it happened that an hour or so later I found myself in the corner of a first-class carriage flying along en route for Exeter, while Sherlock Holmes, with his sharp, eager face framed in his ear-flapped travelling-cap
Yes, I agree with Holmes it would be much easier to hide a horse on the busy streets of London, just put him in a mask and coat and no one would be asking any questions. But, see, Holmes is far from arrogant about his skills unlike *cough* some adaptations suggest, he calls out his errors and faults all the time."Because I made a blunder, my dear Watson—which is, I am afraid, a more common occurrence than any one would think who only knew me through your memoirs. The fact is that I could not believe it possible that the most remarkable horse in England could long remain concealed, especially in so sparsely inhabited a place as the north of Dartmoor.
It's interesting that this story kind of starts In Medias Res, but without the action, if that even makes sense. I mean that the story starts with the theft of the horse already being the talk of England and Holmes has to basically fill us in on what happened before.I lay back against the cushions, puffing at my cigar, while Holmes, leaning forward, with his long, thin forefinger checking off the points upon the palm of his left hand, gave me a sketch of the events which had led to our journey.
Holmes is giddy and his best bud can tell.There was a gleam in his eyes and a suppressed excitement in his manner which convinced me, used as I was to his ways, that his hand was upon a clue
Another example of Holmes' innate sense of justice, this guy isn't evil just opportunistic so he doesn't feel he deserves what they might do to him. Semi-related it's worth noting that historically at least, until recently maybe, mystery protagonists tended not to be actual detectives."Colonel Ross did not impress me as a man who would be likely to show much mercy in any case."
"The matter does not rest with Colonel Ross. I follow my own methods, and tell as much or as little as I choose. That is the advantage of being unofficial."
Holmes the prankster strikes again. He does the "I'm not going to reveal things straight away, I'm going to have a bit of fun instead" thing from time to time.I don't know whether you observed it, Watson, but the Colonel's manner has been just a trifle cavalier to me. I am inclined now to have a little amusement at his expense. Say nothing to him about the horse."
The racing detail in "Silver Blaze" is very faulty, so we must disqualify him.
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It was a murder mystery where the murder wasn't the mystery, everyone seemed to care more about the horse, and then in the end there wasn't even a murder, just an accident.
Self-defence, innit? This is the English countryside. It's every man's right to protect himself with a strange surgical knife! Nothing strange about it.
I feel like this is a very streamlined story, like there's no fat to cut, it's all mystery, clues and deduction and straight to it.
I love this, especially in light of the Popular Conception of Sherlock Holmes we have today of him being always right and being super awful at handling having made a mistake. (He makes mistakes all the time C'MON)Because I made a blunder, my dear Watson—which is, I am afraid, a more common occurrence than any one would think who only knew me through your memoirs.
Holmes appreciating Watson catching things always makes me happy“One moment,” I asked. “Did the stable-boy, when he ran out with the dog, leave the door unlocked behind him?”
“Excellent, Watson, excellent!”
aaaa I love the bits of characterization in these early stories. This one here is great, and the one with the laughing about baiting the goosemonger in the Blue Carbuncle in particular is a favorite. They really give such a great image of Holmes as like, an actual person.We all sprang out with the exception of Holmes, who continued to lean back with his eyes fixed upon the sky in front of him, entirely absorbed in his own thoughts. It was only when I touched his arm that he roused himself with a violent start and stepped out of the carriage.
“Excuse me,” said he, turning to Colonel Ross, who had looked at him in some surprise. “I was day-dreaming.” There was a gleam in his eyes and a suppressed excitement in his manner which convinced me, used as I was to his ways, that his hand was upon a clue, though I could not imagine where he had found it.
RIGHT BUT IT'S REALLY GOOD, because like, Holmes' description of Inspector Gregory was that he's a fantastic investigator but completely lacks imagination, so like, he doesn't stop to imagine why this knife might have been there, but at the same time, there's the bit where Insp. Gregory demonstrates that he went to great lengths to preserve all the footprints and even brought along the shoes for identification, showing how thorough he is about his forensics.
You know, I'd never even stopped and wondered what it was, I just was like "ah yes it's a thing" and moved onBee wrote: ↑Fri 17 Mar, 2023, 1:14 pmI learned a new thing! Man, sometimes I wish I had a fully annotated edition of these stories, would save me a lot of time looking things up."What's this?" It was a wax vesta half burned, which was so coated with mud that it looked at first like a little chip of wood.
lmao right, this part ALWAYS makes me think of my other favorite Holmes quote (which we haven't gotten close to yet):Bee wrote: ↑Fri 17 Mar, 2023, 1:14 pmOh so that's where that book's title came from? Interesting"Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
"To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."
"The dog did nothing in the night-time."
"That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.
Also lol I love how this little dialogue reads like a parody but it's not.
I also absolutely love when he corners the competing horse trainer with the truth (unbeknownst, at that point, to the reader) about the disguised horse, and then it's like"How do you know that?"
"I followed you."
"I saw no one."
"That is what you may expect to see when I follow you."
“Should I change it first or not?”
Holmes thought a little and then burst out laughing. “No, don’t,”
and then the part where he deliberately makes it sound like the Colonel is being accused of murderer when he's talking about the horse he's SUCH a troll, I love him“The matter does not rest with Colonel Ross. I follow my own methods, and tell as much or as little as I choose. That is the advantage of being unofficial. I don’t know whether you observed it, Watson, but the Colonel’s manner has been just a trifle cavalier to me. I am inclined now to have a little amusement at his expense. Say nothing to him about the horse.”
I still distinctly remember when I was first reading the story, this is where I figured it out. I read so much James Herriot when I was a kid, and it was so clear that the surgical knife was important, I immediately put the pieces together.“Have you noticed anything amiss with them of late?”
“Well, sir, not of much account; but three of them have gone lame, sir.”
I'm not 100% sure but I think it's because he considered the whole sequence with the race entry and race itself to be too unrealistic without adding much to the story.thiskurt wrote: ↑Sat 25 Mar, 2023, 10:51 pmArthur Conan Doyle disqualified this story as one of his favourites because the racing detail was faulty, not sure what he means by that, but I don't know much about horse racing.
The racing detail in "Silver Blaze" is very faulty, so we must disqualify him.
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True it starts of about a murder during a horse theft and then it's none of those things.InspectorCaracal wrote: ↑Sat 25 Mar, 2023, 11:12 pmSILVER BLAZE! okay so yeah it's not wrong, a lot of why I love this one is because it's about a horse, lol.
This one is interesting on a number of points, though, one of which being that it's one of only a few that Holmes takes on of his own initiative instead of as a client's case, and another of which is that everyone thinks it's a murder, but then it isn't, which is great. And they also all think the horse was stolen, but it wasn't, it just up and ran off and then got subject to a clever bit of opportunism and it's just such a delightful bit of criminal endeavours all going sideways in weird directions.
Ooh, good point, it also contrasts well with Holmes himself to show that his skill isn't just about the forensics, his observations require a lot of insight outside of that too.InspectorCaracal wrote: ↑Sat 25 Mar, 2023, 11:12 pmRIGHT BUT IT'S REALLY GOOD, because like, Holmes' description of Inspector Gregory was that he's a fantastic investigator but completely lacks imagination, so like, he doesn't stop to imagine why this knife might have been there, but at the same time, there's the bit where Insp. Gregory demonstrates that he went to great lengths to preserve all the footprints and even brought along the shoes for identification, showing how thorough he is about his forensics.
Indeed.InspectorCaracal wrote: ↑Sat 25 Mar, 2023, 11:12 pmI love trolling Holmes so much.Bee wrote: ↑Fri 17 Mar, 2023, 1:14 pmI also absolutely love when he corners the competing horse trainer with the truth (unbeknownst, at that point, to the reader) about the disguised horse, and then it's like“Should I change it first or not?”
Holmes thought a little and then burst out laughing. “No, don’t,”
InspectorCaracal wrote: ↑Sat 25 Mar, 2023, 11:12 pm(WHOOPS, Kurt beat me. it's funny, we made a lot of similar comments!)
I guess it's a bit unrealistic but it's worth it for the trolling of Colonel Ross.InspectorCaracal wrote: ↑Sat 25 Mar, 2023, 11:18 pmI'm not 100% sure but I think it's because he considered the whole sequence with the race entry and race itself to be too unrealistic without adding much to the story.thiskurt wrote: ↑Sat 25 Mar, 2023, 10:51 pmArthur Conan Doyle disqualified this story as one of his favourites because the racing detail was faulty, not sure what he means by that, but I don't know much about horse racing.
The racing detail in "Silver Blaze" is very faulty, so we must disqualify him.
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It is, indeed, that hat!thiskurt wrote: ↑Sat 25 Mar, 2023, 10:51 pmWait a minute, is that the famous Sherlock Holmes hat people always say he never wears in the stories only in the movies?And so it happened that an hour or so later I found myself in the corner of a first-class carriage flying along en route for Exeter, while Sherlock Holmes, with his sharp, eager face framed in his ear-flapped travelling-cap
You're probably right, I didn't know there was any precedent for the choice of hat in the adaptations at all though. Everyone just kept saying it didn't appear in the stories, but it's pretty clear how it got telephoned from this hat to the deerstalker.InspectorCaracal wrote: ↑Sat 25 Mar, 2023, 11:27 pm*clears throat*
To go into it a bit more: I suspect the cap Doyle had in mind would've been something more like this:
ear flaps cap.jpg
Two reasons!
One, it's described as a travelling-cap, and a deerstalker is a hunting cap that was more common in rural areas and which Watson would almost definitely not have called a travelling-cap.
And two, Holmes' face is said to be framed by the cap, which means it should be going down on both sides, that is, the ear flaps were actually down. Even if it was a deerstalker, the ear flaps shouldn't have been pinned up at the time, severely damaging the credibility of the picture's accuracy to what was described.
To wit: while the hat is portrayed alongside the stories in their official illustrations and could arguably fit the description of what Holmes was wearing, there are too many inaccuracies for it to be the actual original intended cap.
Of course, none of that actually matters, any more than it matters that the curved pipe Holmes' is always portrayed with is even more of an artistic fabrication.